10May/13
Pulling The Plug On Generation Zero
As I said I'm pulling the plug on the website and forums because I think the player-base who have donated as well as the team deserved transparency as to where the money is going, and if it was actually going to where it was promised. Which was in fact paying musicians, artists, server costs, and the team for their work. Not food, alcohol, or RENT.
As for the conversation I mentioned in the video here's a picture of it:
He will most likely still continue game development granted if he still has supporters. I'm just pulling the plug on the website and forums, that is all.
Eddie Milanes
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May 10th, 2013 - 01:07
Hi guys, I’d like to clarify a few things.
I gave Eddie $50 for server costs, which he now owes me. Where did that money go?
Also, I’ve never paid rent with donations, nor did I use it for alcohol.
On the facebook page, I specifically asked for a donation with the intent to get a pizza that night. I clarified the fact about where that specific donation would go so people know that the specific donation went for a more personal reason.
I’ve never used any other donations for personal reasons. I was able to pay Roman his $70 for his artwork, you can ask him.
This in turned helped me pay for my rent since I normally would have had to pay Roman out of pocket.
So that’s why Eddie said rent.
Please don’t listen to his slander and know that your donations do go specifically to the game, unless otherwise noted like when I asked for that one donation lol.
Thanks,
~TBC
May 10th, 2013 - 01:26
I ask for your proof please show us all what you’ve been spending your money on with the paypal account.Show us the amount donated, the amount spent on that pizza, and the amount you have left. Paypal shows all of these transactions and where, it’s in the history. If you do in fact share this information I’ll gladly pay you back the $50.
All of the $50 went towards the website’s dedicated IP, SSL certificate, and monthly hosting since the gen0 website is hosted under First Drop. It’s understandable that you would want a refund now.
Also this is the internet we can tell if you photoshopped it or something is wrong with the information presented.
May 10th, 2013 - 01:28
Hell you don’t even have the status about the pizza which contains the comment about you using the PayPal credit card that is linked to the donations.
Why delete it Mike?
May 10th, 2013 - 01:50
On another note related to the convo picture that I have up:
Seriously, what guy buys alcohol first knowing that he has little cash and then decides that he wants donation money to get him a good dinner, instead of eating Ramen like he said?
That’s not acceptable
May 10th, 2013 - 02:58
lmao I know right? completely irresponsible
May 10th, 2013 - 08:32
The fact that you don’t value “that one donation lol” as anything important is what’s wrong with what you did.
May 10th, 2013 - 01:16
Well… That’s pretty messed up, heh.
May 10th, 2013 - 02:56
yeah….it’s sickening to know that die hard committed Pokemon fans might actually be tricked into this scam
May 10th, 2013 - 10:19
Between eddie’s lies and midnightstrike’s constant need for validation by sucking up to people slandering others, I won’t get anywhere here while people here only listen to one side.
You can believe eddie or look at the work I’ve done and the fact that I have apent the donation money used for the game on the game, and will continue to do so. I asked for this one dobation with the I tent to get some pizza. Even the donator himself knows it and told me he is fine with it. I delineated the reason since that one donation was being used for that.
So whatever happens it’s fine. Get sucked into the drama these children perpetuate or just keep an eye out for gramde progression and updates, the latter of which I will he doing.
But I’m not going to seep myself in more drama by people with inferiority complexes trying to bring me down. I’m going to work on Gen 0 and produce a quality game as I have been.
~TBC
May 10th, 2013 - 10:45
Whether you create a finalized version of the game is not the point. You still have yet to prove anything of what you said is true. You still have not proved that I’m wrong. And the fact that you didn’t and still trying to defend yourself means you’re just trying to cover the fact that you did use this money for other purposes.
Like I said Mike, it’s as simple as showing us the Paypal history. That’s all you have to do to make this entire post invalid. Stop trying to desperately defend yourself when it’s as simple as pressing Print Screen a couple of times on your keyboard and making a collage on Paint.
May 10th, 2013 - 11:01
I’m not going to get into it further because I’m not going to sit here arguing. Especially for the fact that before you even talked to me you decided to block me on every medium and get on the high horse of your “website” to attack and slander me. Pretty cowardly.
I don’t have to prove anything to you, or anyone else. If you’re ok with yourself for stealing that $50 and not only cutting off a friendship but a good business relationship, that’s your choice.
I’m going to continue making the game and continue using their donations for the expedition of Gen 0. Including me paying Roman another $40 out of donations this coming week for his work.
You can take your pride and self-righteousness and choke on it, kid. I’m done with this page and this thread. I’m not going to sit here and fight like kids with you. I’m cutting you off as I did tyler when he tried texting me after the other group’s page shut down.
Goodbye.
Everyone reading this, please don’t pay attention to the drama and bullcrap floating around;. Just keep an eye out on game production as I always update it (unlike eddie is trying to say in his video, saying how I’m not doing anything anymore. I’m sorry working full time and trying to have a semblance of a social life is a terrible thing.) and know your donations are going to the right places
As I said, you can ask the receivers on the cost.
I have the Deviantart membership from donations, I paid the thief owning this page $50 and Roman $70 so far, and another $40 this week.
Thank you all for your support,
~TBC
May 10th, 2013 - 11:12
So you’re still not going to show us the Paypal history of the donations account which contains all transaction history including the money donated from the public and where its being used?
Okay then.
You can say all you want about how you’re using the money but you’re still not PROVING anything to us. You’re not PROVING you’re innocent, you’re saying you are but we don’t know for a fact that you are indeed using this money to where it rightfully belongs.
It’s not about game development, it’s about principle. If you say you’re using money for certain things then show us.
As for the social network blocking, I know how you are and that you can be very harassing if someone chooses to go against what you say. Tyler’s story about his time with you is more than enough for me to know that blocking you on every social network medium is a good thing to do and saves me from headaches.
Goodbye Mike, failing to invalidate this knocks your credibility as a businessman and as a game developer. I hope you know that.
May 10th, 2013 - 11:18
TO MIKE WAKEFIELD (aka TBC of Gen 0)
You’re done. Legal action can be taken if you accept any more donations. What you’re doing breaches so many copyrights. You are NOTHING. Every day people tell me what a great job I do at reviewing music and video games. They care about what I myself have to say….your “fans”? They just want a game and don’t care about you as a person. If you didn’t have the term “pokemon” attached to your name you wouldn’t even have a fraction of those fans, Face it, you’ve lost this one….KID.
May 10th, 2013 - 10:53
Don’t you realize that you’re only burying yourself deeper every time you try to defend yourself without offering real evidence of what you say? Eddie has already given us proof that supports his arguments. Where is yours?
All of this is about transparency. If you really needed that money to pay bills and eat food, fine, but let your donors know about it; don’t leave them thinking that money is going elsewhere. That is not ethical, and that is the real issue here.
May 17th, 2013 - 16:36
What proof has Eddie given? The conversation shows nothing in his favor. If anything, it shows that he didn’t use the donations as badly as Eddie says. He was complaining about lacking food. IF he bought food with the donations, he wouldn’t lack food.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to defend Mike, because I don’t know what happened either, but I don’t feel as though its right to attack him like that for a few reasons.
Eddie is constantly referring to Mike’s lack of proof. Eddie doesn’t have proof either, he just made a video. Even if Mike really did buy a meal with donations, he seems to think that he informed donators that he would. Assuming he didn’t, I frankly wouldn’t give a poop. Using 20$ out of donations to feed himself may be dishonest, but in the end it goes toward the game in one way or another.
So in the end it comes down to what he actually did with the money. There is no way for us to know what happened unless either party gives sufficient proof, which hasn’t happened as of yet. Therefore, nobody has any right to pass judgement on either Eddie or Mikebased on the matter.
May 17th, 2013 - 23:29
Boom, proof from another team member: http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8239/36323279.png
Also the author name was really unnecessary.
May 17th, 2013 - 23:30
In fact that conversation I had with another team member is what caused this video and article to be created.
May 13th, 2013 - 03:38
Mike,
I actually just heard about Gen 0 tonight. I’ve just stumbled across all of this.
As far as defense goes, you don’t have much of one. If you really believed yourself to be innocent, you wouldn’t have deleted evidence and hidden documents. Innocent people go on the offensive; they want to prove their innocence. Guilty people go on the defensive, which you’ve done.
From what I’ve seen, you don’t have a leg to stand on.
May 14th, 2013 - 17:59
so what iv read the jist of it is. do not trust any of the gen 0 team with your money because all theyre doing is buying booze….or am i missing something?
was really looking forward to this game as well.
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May 15th, 2013 - 00:42
Didn’t he leave the other group because he kept arguing and harassing people? Then threatened to take everything if the others didn’t agree to what he said and follow his demands?
What happened to the main group anyway? Their page just disappeared one day and I haven’t seen anything about it since. I hope they’re still working on it because their game was looking so much better then Mikes.
May 15th, 2013 - 01:03
I just received an email from Trystan from the old group. They are currently still developing and have set up a new page located at http://www.facebook.com/P0PokemonGenesis
Until significant progress has been shown I won’t be extending my help towards them. However, I’m sure they can come up with something.
May 15th, 2013 - 01:05
Also based on all other accounts of that event, Yes that indeed happened. From what Jake Lupton (the original starter of this whole Gen0 project thing), and Tyler Davis (midnightstrike, he also worked on Mike’s project when it split off) told me, this happened.
May 15th, 2013 - 01:31
Awesome, I hope it kicks off soon then. Will be hard to get back the thousands of fans since nobody knew it was changed to this but I’m sure they will come back once things are in motion again.
Glad to see people are finally starting to see the real Mike as well then…
May 15th, 2013 - 03:24
I know him in real life, so I’ve seen the real slandering asshole for who he is. He reports anything he can calling him out (he reported Eddie’s video even though there was absolutely nothing TO report. Youtube realized this as well and rejected the report). Also the guy keeps trying to text me through different emails trying to find ones I haven’t blocked yet telling me he “forgives me” and wants me to do the same….what a creep! haha
May 15th, 2013 - 11:03
Proof of the youtube report: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/417855_10200264141939347_239344674_n.jpg
May 15th, 2013 - 08:27
Tens of Thousands actually. We’re working on it, and should be able to release a public Alpha soon. We’re trying to make it as close to the original games as possible, while still trying to show how the world has aged in Gen 1 compared to Gen 0.
-Tyrant
May 15th, 2013 - 23:31
I’m sorry Mike was such an asshole to you guys
he really had me going with all his lies about the old team. Sucks you guys got your site pulled!